ericknight74's Forum Posts

I actually know over a dozen- teaching high school English you ge to meet amazing people. When we did a unit on the book Night I had the opportunity to meet them. How is this an unreasonable point? Every time I make a valid argument that you can’t give a strong response too, you claim it’s a weak statement or an extreme example. News flash- my mother grew up in Post-World War II Germany and I have quite a few FIRST-HAND accounts of what life was like, without your history lesson or assumptions on the matter, Even when food was rationed out, people were given more than they got in concentration camps where they were not fed for sometimes 2-3 days. For the argument to hold true that calories hold that much weight in metabolism, surely some of these people, when given 2-3 times more food, would have yo-yo’ed, right? Re. “Where did anyone state otherwise?” Fazza’s whole point- which you two have both repeated- was “Your body – too many calories = muscle loss + slower metabolism” That’s abosultey not a correct presumption. What part of THAT are you not getting? FInally, regarding my statement about lower BMR for obese patients, maybe YOU knew they do that, but I have no idea if Fazza may have, and am sure that the average beginner would not. Again, as I stated numrous times, I’m talking about people starting out here and what they wil encounter If someone at 35% bf comes to this site, uses the BMR tool, and subtracts calories from that value expecting to lose weight, they are not going to get great results. If they are tempted to cut more (which they should do, since we have no adjusted bw formula here), but read something like, “cutting too mnay calories will derail your metabolism,” what do you think is going to happen? It’s not a given that everyone will have your knowledge, and it’s not “obvious” that BMR formulas are different for obese patients. If it were, this site- and all the hundreds of others like it- would offer those calculations in addition to the others. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / It's about calories in and calories out. That's it.

First thing I notice is no leg work; that’s no way to structure a workout. Check out a planned routine- either here or look for doug’s four day split on muscleandstrength.com. -EK

Topic: General Discussion / Help on improving my excersizes!!!!

“Of course ultimately it does come down to eating less calories.” your words, no mine, and that’s been my whole point this entire time. It is not unreasonable to presume that if I interpreted Fazza’s statements regarding caloric effect on metabolism, then many others might as well. You keep bringing up LBM for some reason, but I never disputed its effect on metabolic function. I think we all agreed on that. What I’m saying- and I don’t know how to be more clear about it- is that eating fewer calories- even drastically fewer (1000 below predicted BMR) will not directly slow your metabolism and cause a yo-yo effect as has been stated. Telling someone that is misleading. When you are talking about people who are obese or morbidly obese, from the standpoint of not only fat loss but overall health, getting their weight down and under control is the first priority. Once they plateau with weight loss, then a more critical approach can- and should- be used. I never said otherwise. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / It's about calories in and calories out. That's it.

“Of course ultimately it does come down to eating less calories.” your words, no mine, and that’s been my whole point this entire time. It is not unreasonable to presume that if I interpreted Fazza’s statements regarding caloric effect on metabolism, then many others might as well. You keep bringing up LBM for some reason, but I never disputed its effect on metabolic function. I think we all agreed on that. What I’m saying- and I don’t know how to be more clear about it- is that eating fewer calories- even drastically fewer (1000 below predicted BMR) will not directly slow your metabolism and cause a yo-yo effect as has been stated. Telling someone that is misleading. When you are talking about people who are obese or morbidly obese, from the standpoint of not only fat loss but overall health, getting their weight down and under control is the first priority. Once they plateau with weight loss, then a more critical approach can- and should- be used. I never said otherwise. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / It's about calories in and calories out. That's it.

Simply cutting calories is BS? Seriously? And you wonder how I may have “misinterpreted” your posts? Nobody else reading this thinks that’s incorrect? Even Jwu has agreed that ultimately, yes, it does come down to creating a caloric debt.
I’m not in any way advocating doing this, but the fact that potato guy and Twinkie guy lost fat- not just weight but fat, and improved all of their blood work by doing just that- simply cutting calories, is proof it can be done, and without crashing thier metabolism. I never said or implied opening up concentration camps- that’s really grasping at straws on your part. Not sure why you keep saying the MSE is invalid- it couldn’t be more valid. It’s absolute proof that even under the most calorie restrictive conditions, metabolic function was not compromised beyond LBM indicators. If it was, they wouldn’t have continued losing weight. If that occurs in semi-starvation, why would any other caloric restriction be different? How does the fact that the experiment was conducted in the 40s make any difference at all, since it has been mimicked since then? Is it an invalid study simply because you dont agree with it? I’m not following WHY the results should be discounted. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / It's about calories in and calories out. That's it.

That’s perfectly fine, but your initial comment about plateauing and gaining back fat because you underate and somehow decreased metabolic function should have been clearer. I am sure that I am not the only person who read that statement- or might read it- and say BS. if you had been a bit more clear from the start, two pages of posts could have been avoided. Just because you know exactly what you mean and are saying does not mean everyone else will, and even your white knight Jwu has commented that your initial post was unclear. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / It's about calories in and calories out. That's it.

I hear what you’re saying, but no resistance program will get you where you want to be if you neglect half of your body. Running, biking, motocross, ruby- none of those things is the same as weight training. They can certainly be added, but do not substitute for a good routine. -EK

Topic: General Discussion / Help on improving my excersizes!!!!

What does an average day’s diet look like? -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / how do i cut my carbs

What kind of cardio is your 20-30 minutes? Are we talking LIT or HIIT? Before I made any drastic dietary changes, I would consider either upping the cardio to 45-60 minutes (LIT), or switching to 2-3 days of 25 minutes of HIIT. Also, are you doing the cardio fed or fasted? Recent data seems to debunk the old idea of “first thing in the morning cardio is best.” Regarding diet, If you were making hypertrophy gains with your nutrition, you are likely eating enough. -EK

Topic: Diet and Nutrition / TRUE Weight Loss Stall

Whoa! Where can you buy Methylhexaneamine, (1 3 dimethylmamylamin)?? I know at least ine athlete who has been popped in a drug test for its use, as it basically shows up as an ampethamine if I’m not mistaken. Any more info on this? -EK

Topic: Supplements / Pre workout sups

First off, the “window of opportunity” is a complete myth. I have no idea where this was even started, but it has been debunked numerous times over. Tipton and colleagues (2003) examined responsiveness of protein synthesis for a day after a workout, and found it to reflect a 24 hour enhanced level. That’s right folks, a FULL DAY! This means that having a morning shake will have the same impact on muscle protein synthesis as one consumed following the workout! These results shouldn’t be too surprising because we’ve known for over a decade that postworkout protein synthesis is jacked up for this long (MacDougall et al., 1995). Some research suggests that even 48 hours after the workout our protein synthesis levels can be elevated by ~33% (Phillips et al., 1997), giving us an even longer period during which we can maximize our muscle growth with protein drinks. The common response to strength training is an increase in insulin sensitivity (Fujitani et al., 1998; Miller et al, 1984), and the data shows even the acute effect from a single bout lasts for over 24 hours (Koopman et al., 2005). So while we’ll have an enhanced whole body insulin sensitivity following resistance training, this effect is even greater for 24 hours following exercise.

Insofar as flavor is concerned, no it doesn’t make a difference at all. -EK

Topic: Supplements / Post-workout nutrition

Oops…double post. -EK

Topic: Supplements / Post-workout nutrition

Arn- how so? It’s my understanding that glycogen replenishment is their primary goal (aside from shuttling AA’s, but if we are talking without protein), and you’d have to work out insanely hard for like three hours straight to make enough of a dent in muscle glycogen for there to be a difference. Corect me if I’m wrong, but when we deplete muscle glycogen, if we need it, we simply shuttle glycogen from the liver, no? I’m not saying carbs are not important, only that the idea that you only have 20 minutes to an hour to get them in the “window” is a myth. Can you expand please? -EK

Edit- I don’t consider it long-winded if I learn something new!!

Topic: Supplements / Post-workout nutrition

Aha! Interesting stuff. Admittedly, I can not fathom a training session of 2-3 hours. In the bodybuilding/powerlifting world, that’s called “overtraining,” LOL. To be fair- the second study you posted utilized PWO nutrients immediately PWO and AGAIN a full 2 hours after training- hardly the “window” that I said was a myth. The third one used immediate, 1 hour and 2 hour intervals, and the last one in 15-60 minute intervals for FIVE HOURS. See where I’m going with this? All of your studies showed that glycogen synthesis increased with several “meals” PWO, but none of them showed any kind of window of opportunity that must be stuck to. Tell me your thoughts on this study: The long and short of it showed no differences in glycogen use or depletion patterns between the athletes consuming water PWO and carbs PWO. Any thoughts? Again, not dismissing the need for carbs (and protein) PWO AT ALL, just not convinced that if I don’t get them in withint an hour, I will somehow corrupt glycogen or protein synthesis. -EK

http://jap.physiology.org/content/67/5/1843.abs…

Topic: Supplements / Post-workout nutrition

I’m not discounting that at all. Maybe I’m just thick and don’t get it, but I still don’t se anything that says you have to get carbs in within an hou or twenty minutes or whatever. The articles ALL state that up to five hours is the time frame they used- hardly a narrow window of opportunity. -EK

Topic: Supplements / Post-workout nutrition